That is clear. But let’s go back to what you call ultimate reality, the emptiness. Nothing, neither is nothingness, nor is an empty space separate from phenomena. It is the nature of phenomena. And so the Heart Sutra said: “Form means no, not materiality”. From the absolute point of view, the world does not show reality. I’m Not A Hero But I’m Proud To Be A Vietnam Veteran Flag. So the phenomenal world is relative and emptiness is absolute nature. But the phenomenon is clear and perceived. The notion of what does not go against the human innate disposition of Ego and Dharma attachment.
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